Comments on: Global consultation, Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples http://intercontinentalcry.org/global-consultation-declaration-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-peoples/ Intercontinental Cry provides news, commentary, videos, and media alerts concerning the world's Indigenous population. Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:52:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Ahni http://intercontinentalcry.org/global-consultation-declaration-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-peoples/#comment-2014 Ahni Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:24:00 +0000 http://intercontinentalcry.org/global-consultation-declaration-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-peoples/#comment-2014 Great to hear from you again OldManRivers. I'm a little surprised at Venezuela's position, but it's understandable. The <a href="http://saiic.nativeweb.org/ayn/schulting.html" rel="nofollow">ILO Convention 169</a> seems to be in similar standing. Speaking of the UN... They actually adhere to something called blue water (or salt water) thesis, which effectively makes it illegal for Indigenous Nations 'enclosed' in States to be truly sovereign and self-governing---it is said, because "the territorial integrity of the nation state must be maintained." This theory justifies tribal sovereignty and the notion that Indigenous Nations on this land are 'domestic-dependent Nations'... I wonder where the declaration stands in regard to it? In any case, yeah, 25 years is a long time for something that can have no authority... Declaration or no declaration, we still need to come together and stand on our own as separate and distinct Peoples. Welcome back OldmanRivers. A. Great to hear from you again OldManRivers.

I’m a little surprised at Venezuela’s position, but it’s understandable. The ILO Convention 169 seems to be in similar standing.

Speaking of the UN… They actually
adhere to something called blue water (or salt water) thesis, which effectively makes it illegal for Indigenous Nations ‘enclosed’ in States to be truly sovereign and self-governing—it is said, because “the territorial integrity of the nation state must be maintained.”

This theory justifies tribal sovereignty and the notion that Indigenous Nations on this land are ‘domestic-dependent Nations’…

I wonder where the declaration stands in regard to it?

In any case, yeah, 25 years is a long time for something that can have no authority…

Declaration or no declaration, we still need to come together and stand on our own as separate and distinct Peoples.

Welcome back OldmanRivers.

A.

]]> By: OldManRivers http://intercontinentalcry.org/global-consultation-declaration-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-peoples/#comment-2013 OldManRivers Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:15:05 +0000 http://intercontinentalcry.org/global-consultation-declaration-on-the-rights-of-indigenous-peoples/#comment-2013 The Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples is a strange topic. Most Indigenous don't even know about it, let alone the UN. Upon any inspection, one can easily figure out the UN is largely dominated by the imperialist powers in the world, and their neo-colonies. yata yata yata, preaching the converted here. What is really interesting is what the Ministry of Popular Powers for Indigenous peoples of Venezuela had to say about the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples at the recent gathering there. In the last vote on the declaration, Venezuela abstained from the vote. Previous (the previous two votes, I believe), they were in support of the declaration. It was after the Ministry of Popular Powers for the Indigenous peoples was created that they took a different stance on the declaration. Venezuela said they are not supporting the declaration because the UN is an imperialist-run organization, and this Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples is by extension, an imperialist document. She asserted that they are strongly anti-imperialist, and because of that they cannot support this imperialist document. So the imperialists are against it (Canada, Russia, the US, and a few more). And the anti-imperialists are against it. It's also unfortunate to hear about how much work has gone into this declaration. For 25 years now people from all over have worked on this document. Yeah, it won't translate to any real action. Just another strongly worded document. But I guess one hope is the educational value in it. I can't seem to find some other way to create value. The Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples is a strange topic. Most Indigenous don’t even know about it, let alone the UN. Upon any inspection, one can easily figure out the UN is largely dominated by the imperialist powers in the world, and their neo-colonies. yata yata yata, preaching the converted here.

What is really interesting is what the Ministry of Popular Powers for Indigenous peoples of Venezuela had to say about the Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples at the recent gathering there. In the last vote on the declaration, Venezuela abstained from the vote. Previous (the previous two votes, I believe), they were in support of the declaration. It was after the Ministry of Popular Powers for the Indigenous peoples was created that they took a different stance on the declaration.

Venezuela said they are not supporting the declaration because the UN is an imperialist-run organization, and this Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples is by extension, an imperialist document. She asserted that they are strongly anti-imperialist, and because of that they cannot support this imperialist document.

So the imperialists are against it (Canada, Russia, the US, and a few more). And the anti-imperialists are against it.

It’s also unfortunate to hear about how much work has gone into this declaration. For 25 years now people from all over have worked on this document. Yeah, it won’t translate to any real action. Just another strongly worded document. But I guess one hope is the educational value in it. I can’t seem to find some other way to create value.

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